Tuesday, May 14, 2013

Lower Puyallup Regulations in limbo


I've received permission to share this email from Tappsdrifter -- excellent info!
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Hi Guys,

Just curious, can you share the status of the negotiations between WDFW and the tribal fisheries managers?  There are rumors that the river will be closed from the mouth to the confluence of the Puyallup and White.  Hopefully this is not the case especially with all the anticipation of the pink run pending.

Thanks!


Tappsdrifter


IN REPLY:

Thank you for your e-mail correspondence to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) Fish Program. We apologize for the delay in our response.
The following response has been provided to you from Pat Pattillo, the WDFW Statewide Salmon Policy Coordinator:
Recreational salmon fishing on the Puyallup River has been opened in mid-August to coincide with returning hatchery Chinook salmon and very large numbers of pink salmon in odd-numbered years.  In recent years the number of anglers fishing the Puyallup River has been extremely large and conflicts have occurred between recreational anglers and tribal members as they conduct treaty net fisheries.  Such conflicts range from verbal exchanges to physical interactions that, in some cases, have put the safety of tribal fishers and recreational anglers at risk. 
To reduce the occurrence of these conflicts the Puyallup Tribe and WDFW agreed to separate tribal and sport fishing activities in the area of the Puyallup River adjacent to the Puyallup Tribe’s reservation (specifically from the mouth upstream about 6 miles) on certain days opened to tribal netting.  This separation of fishing began in 2010 and continued the next two years with between 6 and 9 days closed in each season to sport fishing.  Sport fishing remained open on the Puyallup River upstream of the Tribe’s reservation area on days closed by agreement.
As planning for the 2013 salmon fishing seasons began in early March, the Puyallup Tribe notified WDFW of their intention to greatly expand the number of days closed to sport fishing.  In subsequent meetings throughout March and early April, the Puyallup Tribe conveyed their view that conflict had not subsided with the limited closures agreed to in the previous three years.  The Tribe’s position for 2013 is to close sport fishing on all days opened to tribal net fishing from mid-August through December, a total of 54 days.
The Tribes and WDFW must reach agreement on all salmon fisheries - freshwater and marine, commercial and recreational – to be consistent with conservation objectives, including fishing limits defined under the federal Endangered Species Act, and allocation of harvest between treaty Indian and non-Indian fishers.  Agreement has been reached for all fisheries except those occurring in the Puyallup River and the Skokomish River.  The Tribes and WDW are committed to reaching agreement on these outstanding issues prior to the commencement of fishing activities in August.  Agreement was not reached in time to provide a description of opened seasons and regulations for sport fisheries in the Puyallup River in WDFW’s annual publication “Sport Fishing Rules”, but WDFW will inform the public of the outcome of negotiations as soon as they are concluded. 
If you have further questions, please email again or call (360) 902-2700. Our Customer Service hours are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday.
We hope this information helps, and again, we apologize for the lateness of our response.
Sincerely,
Fish Program




24 comments:

  1. What i gather from this is that it will probably be closed most Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays below the white river. If you ad up the weekends from mid August thru December, it adds up pretty close.

    I really do hope this doesn't create more conflict between fishermen, and the Puyallup tribe. There are plenty of fish to go around for sure!

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  4. I hope we'll be able to fish when they don't net...and I hope this keeps the flossings idiots off the river...I'm tired of seeing people take home snagged fish, too many fish, native kings, and such...I've had fish stolen from my stringer numerous times...it's the Russians, ignorant flossers, and people who are not licensed who are ruining this fishery...I like taking my kids down there because the pinks DO hit without the flossing with 9 foot leaders...teaches them to feel the bite when I take them steelheading...garbage every where...my kids and I have been involved in the river cleanup...

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  5. One of the reasons they want to shut us out is that they have been releasing kings into clarks creek and they want to hammer on those fish and not let us catch some of them...I used to fish the lower river below that bridge in total solitude...now everyone and their best buds show up and do the Puyallup Floss...more garbage, more bad attitudes, and more run ins with the tribal netters...I don't mind people catching fish, but I have a problem with the Russian crowd and the several Asian guys I've witnessed take home EVERYTHING they catch laws be damned...the Russian folk are the ones that have been having more run ins with the tribes...and when these guys get caught, and they do, I've witnessed it and turned them in. they are back down there the VERY NEXT DAY...they play "no speaka de english" to the judge and they throw out the tickets and tell them don't do it again...I've witnessed it over and over...shameful

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  6. any word yet from the wdfw on if they are going to open it. I see the natives are netting the puyallup every tuesday, thursday and sunday. I watched one boat pull up his net but he was empty handed

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    1. i've been checking every couple days, and nothing yet. The netting you're seeing happening was the spring chinook run that the Puyallup Tribe has been working on. --to the best of my knowledge

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  7. Ok ok so what I have heard through the fish line is..the Puyallup might be closed from the mouth of the Stuck river, or sewage treatmental to the mouth of the Puyallup at the Bay because the Muckleshoot Indian tribe is trying to get netting rights to the Puyallup River. now I believe if the Muckleshoot Indians get rights to the Puyallup River. that Washington State fishing game should open the Stuck River do to two tribes netting 1 River system that feeds 2 rivers and one being closed for us to fish and allowing them to take fish that would normally go up that River and not allowing the 50/50 rights that we deserve considering we pay over $60 a year plus there parking passes boat launch fees Park feed. To Fish a river with regulations that Indians do not have to abide by. native fish is what are state is worried about BUT you tell me if you have ever seen a net that can tell the difference between a native fish and a hatchery fish. so let's put more regulations on the white man that fishes with a line and pole. catching one fish at a time rather than a net that wipes a River clean

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    1. I am personally preparing as if it will be almost the same as two years ago.....I think it will sort itself out.
      Probably Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays will be closed in sept, oct, and nov during the peak of the runs. 54 days of netting is the same number of netting days that the tribe had last year......it's not like they'll be netting more fish- or wiping the river clean.

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  8. FYI I saw nets in today at the lower puyallup

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  9. It's the Muckleshoots who are netting the springers...I have a friend who is a biologist...the White/Stuck used to dump into the Green, and the springers were originally in that river...I'm tired of the tribes taking more and more...there is no way as sport fisherman we can take 50 percent of the allowable harvest with a hook and line even if we were lined up both sides of the river assholes to elbows and catching fish on every cast...nets take EVERYTHING in its path...

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  10. You people are all uneducated when it comes to netting the river. Lets see to start. thenets in the river don't clean everything out because the web size allows for small fish to pass through. also the rules in place@for the tribes don't allow them to block the whole river with a net. And for those of you who think that netting is the easy way to catch fish you have no clue how hard and labor intensive it really is. So w hy don't you dumbasse do some research before talk shit. The tribes were here long before any of us and the fact that we are allowed to fish the puyallup river at all is because the tribe allows it. keep in mind while your at the river that

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    2. ive seen them drag their nets arcoss the whole river too. i really care less i still catch my fish. i just want to know when we can fish.

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    5. Ive been fishing the river for years,and get fish all the time,I just want to know when is it gonna open?

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  11. I've watched the tribal nets reach from one side of the river to the other side...don't feed me that crap they "allow us to fish"...I drive that river EVERY day...chums have been decimated...steelhead...what damn steelhead...just like the Nisqually steelhead...take out the flippin nets...I volunteer to clean up every year...it's the 90 percent that ruin it for the 10 percent of ethical fisherman...and go back to school to learn to spell...tribes didn't net in the past, and they only took what they needed...their forefathers are turning in their graves at the waste they create...they can get a damn fishing pole if they want to catch a fish like everyone else...Ignorant Fisherman, I like your site...informative and a good sounding board...I've fished this river for years, and it's progressively getting worse...snaggers, flossers, poachers, fighting, littering, etc...you get the picture...I used to fish low in the river and no one would be around...news media also has a part in the now over crowding of the rivers...I'm all for people catching fish, just do it the right way...and get the damn nets outta the rivers before we wipe all the fish out...join CCA

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  12. Well.... i can't believe the amount of posts i just had to remove... - never thought i'd have to, but this site is not for "tribe bashing" , or any kind of bashing.

    We're talking about fishing - a hobby - right?

    I'll post again as soon as i have more info--

    thanks.

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  13. I would like to say that it is difficult not to be resentful toward the tribes. However it is not good to bash the tribes and demean them. People tend to be resentful of big American Corporations that flex their muscles politically and don't pay taxes. The tribes in Washington do just that.

    Look at this recent article from the Seattle Times. Was I the only one that was flabbergasted to see who spent the most money on political persuasion?

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021218481_governmentlobbyingxml.html

    Bottom line, do not harass the tribal fisherman. It is not good for everyone. It is a sport and lets keep it that way and act sportsman like and clean up our mess.

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  14. I agree that we shouldn't bash the tribes...but, there is NO need to net the rivers as heavily as they do anymore...they generate more than enough money from the smokeshops, fireworks stands, AND the CASINOS...there is no need to net fish to sell...from the casinos alone, each individual tribe member gets their allotted share each month...they make more money than at least 50% of us...I'm just saying that I work my butt off to support my family, and it would be nice to take home a fish or two for dinner rather than not being able to fish because there are none left

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  15. Too close the river all the way up to the White is ridiculous.
    The way the regs on the Puyallup have been the last few years are fine. I've read and heard so many rumors on why this is happening, that I can't even believe any of it anymore. I'm so mad that I do not know the truth. I believe we won't have a season till the last minute, and it will be not in our favor.
    But we will all just be happy to fish what little we can, and that is not right. I no longer fish places I once fished, I no longer have access were I used to, I don't hunt anymore. One user group should not have more rights, more say, or more power over other user groups. I don't believe this is about trash, or conflicts. I bet there are beer bottles, cans, trash and left over fireworks up at 115th, 116th hole. Not from fisherman. Lower river has homeless camps and trash from others not fisherman. I have seen few conflicts between tribe, but not to the point of closure. I have witnessed both parties behaving wrong. I have fished the Puyallup for 15 years, before Humpies were in huge numbers. Coho were plentiful, and you had a good chance at nice Kings. In my opinion this is all about greed. And come August 1st I will be fishing my same spot down river above Clarks creek because I feel its my RIGHT to fish.

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