Sunday, August 19, 2012

Beautiful Scenery, but that's it!

Tried down by the soccer fields this evening.....pretty packed, but not much action at all.
I did see one small king landed in a couple hours (about 50-75 guys).

Is everyone using 8-10 ft. leaders? I was using an 18-24 inch leader, and getting funny looks. No one was catching anything, so I'm not sure who's right, but the guy next to me told me this is a "flossin" river, and I just told him I was doing an experiment....

(i thought the muddier the water, the shorter the leader needed)

This is my first year trying for KINGS, and I call myself the "IGNORANT" fisherman for a reason :), so let me know if I'm crazy. --- I JUST WANT A FISH!


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  1. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but I think "flossing" is just a term for drift fishing..maybe he saw your short leader and assumed you weren't "politically correct" lol..ie plunking where others are drift fishing..I say, if you were there first and are plunking or throwing spinners or bobbers, then you are the one who is politically correct and the others can FO..lol..
    no reason to assume your tactics are wrong, IF ..nothing being caught right now no matter how long the leader is..

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  2. It is very rare to floss a King Salmon, they are too spread out, and they actually go after scent, and color. A shorter leader is what you should be using right now for Kings because they stay close to the bottom. Flossing is using long leader, and hoping that a fish runs into your line, it works when the river is packed with Pinks, and Silvers, but for the most part to catch a King you need to have something on to make them want to hit your line. You are doing it right.

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    1. I've been seeing a lot of people using beads or yarn with no corks to aid their longer leader in sinking. Ever heard of this?

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  3. I've noticed this is a VERY sensitive subject not only on the puke, but everywhere else too... A lot of sport fishermen look down on flossing, but according to most people around here who know this river well its pretty much the only successful tactic until the water clears up more. Ideally you want a shorter leader to get further down where the fish are, but I think the chance that your gonna end up in front of a fish willing to actually take your bait in water like that is about as likely as hooking into a bird mid-flight. Although every fish I've seen caught so far has been on a longer leader, it hasn't seemed to make a difference for me... Still nothing to mark down on my card!

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  4. "I've been seeing a lot of people using beads or yarn with no corks to aid their longer leader in sinking. Ever heard of this?"

    This tactic works well on rivers like the Skokomish where the body of water is super narrow, and the Kings are all channeled into a small sluece, at this point it's like shooting fish in a barrel, and that is a perfect example of flossing.
    The fish can see in the Puyallup, don't let the murky water fool you. Short leader 18-30 inches, and two of the smallest red corkies that you can find.

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  5. Was anonymous, now figured out how to place my name. Those two posts above are mine.

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  6. I have been using a 36" leader give or take a few inches. I fish the same hole every year, see guys using the same thing 7' to 10' the guy standing next to me said the same and after a long conversation and I was the one who hooked a King but ended up losing him and as I was leaving I noticed him changing his leader length :) I've been running Red on Red or Red on Black...

    Johnny G,

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  7. 36 inches is a reasonable leader, 7 to 10 feet is ridiculous, and I personaly feel it's like little mans disease..."If I have a long leader I can cover the entire river." LMAO !!!! It doesn't work like that with kings. They need a presentation, and /or a scent, and they need it at the depth that they are running. You are doing it right.

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  8. Wow guys. Thanks for all the help! Can't wait to get back out on the river.
    I'm gonna have to stop at sportco and load up on red.

    I'll let ya know how it goes probably mid week....thanks a lot.

    Johnny g......that's what I was hoping was gonna happen tonight.....it would have been SWEET to hookup right next to the 10 ft leader.

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    1. Grab me some red too.....we don't have diddly squat up here in Bonney Lake, and I'm tired of spending $10 in gas to buy $7 worth of tackle.... :) I've been digging old beads, and corkies out from under my car seat from last year. HAHAHAHHAHAA !!!!

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    2. Kipper, try the "Work and Sports" store out in Enumclaw. Fairly well stocked on all of that

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  9. Of coarse flossing is going to be the most effective way when you have 50+ guys and their weights hitting the water, the fish are going to be spooked. I am not an expert and probably still a rookie but I am learning that if 50 people are doing the same thing and there is only one "fish on" then you MUST do something different. I am looking to try drifting eggs or sand shrimp when I head down there.

    I personally do not care if someone is flossing as long as they follow the rules the WDFW puts in place. When people criticize flossing that is their pride and ego showing. We all want to get out and catch some fish. Just pick up your garbage and maybe some that is within reach.

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  10. kinda off topic but a warning to everyone, i was fishing down by the 66th ave e bridge today had a friends and my car broken into so be on the lookout

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  11. theres no real exact leader length. certain rivers i run shorter or longer, the skok i go about 3 feet because its typically slower and your almost spot fishing where on the cowlitz i've ran up to 12 feet. call it cheating call it flossing, i call it catching fish :)

    puyallup i stay around 6 feet i'll usually start at 8 and just section it down every twentyish casts. it also helps with your weight knocking across the bottom your line gets scarred near the swivel.

    as far as color for kings i've done well on green as well as black recently red corky black yarn though has done wonders with some sand shrimp scent. sometimes just black yarn.

    another thing you can also play with is line weight i try to stay 12 and 10 but i do drop to 10 and 8. on the cowlitz i've even dropped to 8 and 6 when the steelies are spooked. ( i wouldnt recommend it with kings on the puyallup having to fight fish and fishermen) but it lets you get your line down faster and use less weight. fish arent in thick yet so it might not be what your using but just lack of fish.


    as far as the argument of being a "flosser" typically salmon don't hit your lure its out of anger but most the time you are flossing anyways. the longer leader lets your corky whip a little more and cover more water, it also takes it away from a lead weight bouncing on rocks which can spook a fish some people love it and swear by super long leaders others run little 2 footers. find what your comfortable with and have confidence in just like a color or bass fishing that one plastic you always go to. if your not comfortable and confident your not really enjoying yourself anyways :)

    Tight lines!

    Cameron

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    1. Camerons post...I LIKED IT !, and Matt, thanks for the headsup on the vehicle's, seems to get worse every year...I wish I would hear a cool story about someone actually catching one of these cowards, and bashing them in the chops with a fresh King...LOL !!!

      Kipper

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  12. I agree Cameron......
    Just enjoy fishing......

    Thanks for all the comments.....hope everyone has some good upcoming trips.

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  13. To be totally honest I don't think 96% of the people "fishing" know what they are doing or have a set technique that works everytime. I constantly hear the chatter of this color yard, this corky, with this leader length. To me it's mostly BS. I've seen guys catch Kings on five foot leaders and my wife has caught them on hear 12inch leader. (can't cast for S*** with anything longer :D) My favorite is watching these guys set the hook every 2 seconds like they have a 100lb fish on the end. The fish have one thing on their mind this time of the year and the color of your corky, yarn, or leader length is not one of them.

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    1. Sorry, typing on my phone... you get the just of it. :)

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  14. Ignorant Fisherman, this is my first year fishing for kings as well and I too have had no luck. I have fished a couple different spots and have seen fish caught, and it is getting frustrating because I am tired of seeing fish caught and myself not doing the catching. I have come to the conclusion that I am doing something wrong but I have yet to figure out what it is. So I feel your pain of being shut out and I am just going to keep trying and crossing my fingers. good luck to everyone!

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  15. Anyone know if the closures Aug 26, Sept 2,3,9,10,11 apply only to the lower stretch of the river (Freeman Rd. on down)? Looking at the Regs that is how it seems to read??
    Gonna give it a shot tomorrow morning, good luck to all!

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    1. Yeah that's for the lower half. Watch out because the Wardens are aware of those dates and are out in full force. Last year they had fisherman lined down the block handing out tickets.

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  16. Bryan, I am thinking of changing my name from fishing4fun to getskunkedallthefriggintime hang in there man!

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  17. that is hilarious, hang in there yourself!

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